[lbo-talk] Workers of Europe unite, you've only Euro chains to lose

Marv Gandall marvgand at gmail.com
Thu Dec 22 07:59:29 PST 2011

On 2011-12-22, at 10:05 AM, Wojtek S wrote:

> Marv: " It also seems from here that the opposition to the
> anti-democratic "European Union" is not all or mostly nationalist, and
> even among those workers who present themselves as such, nationalism -
> as someone once put it - is but the "envelope" of their social (class)
> consciousness."
> [WS:] Is it not what killed the Second International or is a driving
> force of the opposition to immigrants? Nationalism seems more of paper
> weight that quashes workers' consciousness than envelope that carries
> it.

Good point, Woj. The reference (Trotsky?) may have been only to the anti-imperialist nationalism of oppressed nations, e.g.. Ireland, where the national struggles were led by workers and peasants whose underlying aims were fundamental social change.

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