[lbo-talk] Socialist modelling (Was: Louis Proyect...)

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Wed Dec 28 11:59:12 PST 2011


On Dec 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Wojtek S wrote:
> Where and when the labor was strong, the state was
> labor friendly.

In a fantasy world, perhaps. In reality, no matter when or where Wojtek finds a "labor friendly" state he will find that, in the overwhelming preponderance of social conflicts in which the state (ie., the courts, the cops, and the military) intervenes, the intervention is violently on the side of the bosses and against labor. Any exceptions would rank among the least common of "Man Bites Dog" stories. In that fantasy world to recognize the capitalist nature of the state is "idealism!"

Shane Mage

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