[lbo-talk] Definition of nation (was as if on cue)

c b cb31450 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 2 14:25:54 PST 2011


Forgot the part about the shared lie about the past and a unifying hatred of the neighbors.

Doug

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Renan

Definition of nationhood

Renan's definition of a nation has been influential. This was given in his 1882 discourse Qu'est-ce qu'une nation? ("What is a Nation?"). Whereas German writers like Fichte had defined the nation by objective criteria such as a race or an ethnic group "sharing common characteristics" (language, etc.), Renan defined it by the desire of a people to live together, which he summarized by a famous phrase, "avoir fait de grandes choses ensemble, vouloir en faire encore" (having done great things together and wishing to do more). Writing in the midst of the dispute concerning the Alsace-Lorraine region, he declared that the existence of a nation was based on a "daily plebiscite."

Karl Deutsch (in "Nationalism and its alternatives") suggested that a nation is "a group of people united by a mistaken view about the past and a hatred of their neighbours." This phrase is frequently, but mistakenly, attributed to Renan himself. He did indeed write that if "the essential element of a nation is that all its individuals must have many things in common", they "must also have forgotten many things. Every French citizen must have forgotten the night of St. Bartholomew and the massacres in the 13th century in the South."

^^^^^^^ CB: Uhhh yeah, in the 1800's every French citizen wasn't alive in th 13th century



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