[lbo-talk] Definition of nation (was as if on cue)

Wojtek S wsoko52 at gmail.com
Sat Feb 5 12:13:00 PST 2011


Angelus: "but your perception of reality over where and what constitutes the "left" is so far out"

[WS:] The difference between a troll and a bona fide poster is that a troll would use the above to hurl an ad hominem or stir up a flame war. A bona fide poster, otoh, would provide information that in his view, others are missing. A good bona fide poster would do it in a succinct, to the point fashion instead of lengthy passages and multiple links to sites that are supposed to contain that information.

So, can you tell me in a paragraph or two what I should know about the "left?"

Wojtek

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Angelus Novus <fuerdenkommunismus at yahoo.com
> wrote:


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> Wojtek:
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> > So in my mind, the parties that you mention ARE pretty much what counts
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> And what about DIE LINKE in Germany? The NPA in France? The Dutch
> Socialist Party? Izquierda Unida in Spain? Bloco de Esquerda in Portugal?
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> You are so blinkered by your grim American exceptionalism that you aren't
> even capable of recognizing what constitutes the "left" in Europe. DIE
> LINKE got 12% of the vote in the last Bundestag elections! They're poised
> to become the governing party in Sachsen-Anhalt!
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> You're basically saying a party that commands more than ten percent of the
> vote nationwide, is a governing party in the capital city and some Eastern
> states, is insignificant, yet a stridently neo-liberal and pro-war policy
> like Bündnis 90/Die Grünen fits your criteria for "left" relevancy.
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> I know you think I engage in ad hominem, but your perception of reality
> over where and what constitutes the "left" is so far out you really have no
> credibility.
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> Frankly, I think you're a right-wing pro-market liberal in European terms,
> but the framework of U.S.-American political discourse is so far to the
> right that you can present yourself as a "leftist" in that context.
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