[lbo-talk] how the regime is winning in Egypt

Wojtek S wsoko52 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 10 09:34:34 PST 2011


[WS:] That is pretty much tangential to what I was arguing, no? All it proves that Orwell had some skeletons in his closet. But then, so what that someone is an asshole in private life? You can say that about Marx, Gandhi, Mother Theresa and scores of other iconic figures.

Wojtek

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Peter Fay <peterrfay at gmail.com> wrote:


> Would that be the George Orwell, who secretly turned in lists of leftists
> to
> British Intelligence in order to blacklist them out of jobs? Not that
> being
> a police spy and propagandist for British Intelligence weakens one's
> credentials on 'totalitarianism', of course...
>
> I think the following would be a more inspiring quote from Orwell:
>
> *"Cranham
> "6.4.49.*
>
> *"Dear Celia,*
>
> *"I haven't written earlier because I have really been rather poorly, and I
> can't use the typewriter even now, so I hope you will be able to cope with
> my handwriting.*
>
> *"I couldn't think of any more names to add to your possible list of
> writers
> except FRANZ BORKENAU (the Observer would know his address) whose name I
> think I gave you, and GLEB STRUVE (he's at Pasadena in California at
> present), the Russian translator and critic. Of course, there are hordes of
> Americans, whose names can be found in the (New York) New Leader, the
> Jewish
> monthly paper 'Commentary', and the Partisan Review. I could also, if it is
> of any value, give you a list of journalists and writers who in my opinion
> are crypto-communists, fellow-travellers or inclined that way and should
> not
> be trusted as propagandists. But for that I shall have to send for a
> notebook which I have at home, and if l do give you such a list it is
> strictly confidential..."*
>
> Etc.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/oct/26/artsnews.booksnews
> -Peter
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [WS:] I am more skeptical - following Orwell's skepticism (see below).
> A
> > mass movement can succeed only if it is backed by an institutional
> > structure
> > capable of governing a country. Without such institutional backing, it
> > will
> > be either squashed like a bug or else it will fizzle out like stale beer.
> >
> > In other words - the protesters will win only if they manage to capture
> the
> > Egyptian state but it seems likely only if the military switches sides.
> > Otherwise, the protest will end like the Polish Solidarity did.
> >
> > Wojtek
> >
> >
> > http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/gandhi/english/e_gandhi
> > "At the same time there is reason to think that Gandhi, who after all was
> > born in 1869, did not understand the nature of totalitarianism and saw
> > everything in terms of his own struggle against the British government.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Fay
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