On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:01 PM, Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote:
> On 03/14/2011 05:19 PM, SA wrote:
>> They never say it in simple words, but the argument is this: In a non-centrally-planned economy, the economy evolves without every detail being consciously determined. Therefore we are unfree, slaves to a machine we ourselves built.
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>> E.g., when Zuckerberg made Facebook, it set in motion disruptive forces over which we have no control. If we were truly free, Zuckerberg would have made Facebook as part of an integrally configured 5 Year Plan, in which all the subsequently needed economic adjustments would have been determined not through "blind economic forces" but through democratically planned foresight.
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>> SA
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> This is some pretty gruesome bullshit. Do you know anything at all about life in societies without commodities? (Hint: I'm not talking about the Soviet Union.)
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> Miles
Of the many societies not based on commodity production, few have been centrally planned, and none of those were democratic. So we don't actually have any empirical data on whether Man would be Free of Blind Forces in such a condition, whatever that means.