> actually, i mistyped my characterization of the thesis doug has
> espoused: people don't get politically active when they're
> economically downtrodden, feeling insecure, etc. rather, history has
> shown a rising tide of activism during economic good times. I was
> wondering if the latest protest was an example of one emerging during
> economic hard times...
>
> meanwhile, I think Carrol is right to say that it's a lot of people
> looking for a movement. it sickens me to watch the vultures move in -
> the unions, moveon, etc.
>
> as for McAdam, I can't doublecheck right now, but IIRC, the thesis was
> that people who stuck with FS were people who had a very high opinion
> of how great the u.s. was.
>
> that's a theory about why they got involved to being with.
>
> the rest of the theory is about how this one event, FS, created the
> resources - people, ideas, commitment, connections, contact lists,
> human relationships, etc. - that would be mobilized in the women's
> movement, the free speech movement, gay liberation, etc. He traces how
> the people at the center of those movement were part of FS and how
> they mobilized the resources they created during that experience and
> deployed them to spur on other movements.
>> shag: "Or do we go with McAdam's thesis in Freedom Summer? That
>> people
>> get
>> pissed off when their expectations have been raised and then the
>> politicians who've been elected to meet those expectations fail
>> miserably at doing so."
>>
>> [WS:] That is the J-curve theory of movements, no?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chowning_Davies
>>
>> If memory serves McAdam & Co. argued that personal connection to
>> movement participants are better predictors of participation than
>> the
>> state of mind (i.e. being dissatisfied or agreeing with movement's
>> ideals.)
>>
>> As I see it, you need both. J curve theory may explain growing
>> dissatisfaction even as living conditions improve, but it does not
>> explain who joins a movement addressing that dissatisfaction.
>> Personal connections do.
>>
>>
>> Wojtek
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM, shag carpet bomb
>> <shag at cleandraws.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, so the social movement thesis bandied about here has been that
>>> people are move apt to get pissed off and demonstrate about their
>>> anger during economically good times.
>>>
>>> Does OWS contradict this?
>>>
>>> Or do we go with McAdam's thesis in Freedom Summer? That people get
>>> pissed off when their expectations have been raised and then the
>>> politicians who've been elected to meet those expectations fail
>>> miserably at doing so.
>>>
>>> shag
>>>
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