[lbo-talk] OWS: Barack Obama and the failure of capitalist 'democracy'

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Fri Oct 7 19:04:12 PDT 2011


On 10/7/2011 8:14 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote:
> doll, who you talking to?

Not you obviously; you tend to think politically. See my post as just adding to yours.

Carrol
>
> The folks - in this case a major activist -- at OWS \are calling it
> the Occupy Movement.
>
> If you would like to share your views, you should probably head over
> to her blog and reply to posts where she uses that language.
>
> I would be much more interested, personally, in your thoughts on the
> video, which doesn't have to be seen to be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>> Re " the Occupy movement."
>>
>> The struggles of the '60s were not called the Lunch Counter Movement.
>> To
>> call this " the "Occupy movement" tends to blunt its importance and
>> give
>> undue importance to its eventual replacement by other episodes. See
>> Eric's response yesterday to a question I raised. Focus not on the
>> present but on the future, which means thinking about how people
>> indifferent circustances and with different reources around the
>> country
>> will build on what has happened _after_ the Occupation is over, or at
>> least fades from the headlines. There have been posts on this list on
>> the failure of the Wisconsin protests, measured by false assumptions
>> of
>> what "success" would have been there. This is why I sneered to myself
>> and deleted that post yesterday (I forget the writer) that questioned
>> my
>> argument that OWS was seriously linked to Wisconsin. OWS has already
>> triumphed. Any further achievements are just decoration. We no longer
>> need to defend and explain it; and its meaning lies not in anything
>> anyone can say now but in our own actions over the months and years to
>> come.
>>
>> Carrol
>>
>>
>> On 10/7/2011 7:15 PM, shag carpet bomb wrote:
>>> recommended by @occupywallSt
>>> http://vimeo.com/20355767
>>>
>>> the only question is,will OWS still get love from Charles Brown once
>>> he sees this attack on Barack?
>>>
>>>
>>> the video is an overview of the way that radical and progressive
>>> social movements are co-opted, where the two parties play good
>>> cop/bad
>>> cop, with the democrats pretending to be for reforms that meet the
>>> demands of the movement, etc.
>>>
>>> According to Taryn: "This video was recommended by @OccupyWallSt.
>>> Obviously, this is a leaderless movement and this is not an official
>>> statement. But this framing of the issues is consistent with a good
>>> deal of what I hear from many of the occupiers. It's almost two
>>> hours
>>> long, but interesting in its own right and, I think, useful if
>>> you're
>>> looking to understand the Occupy movement."
>>>
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