[lbo-talk] OWS Demands working group: jobs for all!

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Thu Oct 20 17:33:16 PDT 2011


fuck no. if unemployment causes disease and early death, it's cause there's no social safety net.

I remember whining about having to go on welfare. Grace said to me, "Honey, go on welfare. It's great. I got through college on welfare."

WEll, yeah, that's because Grace was on welfare before welfare reform. I was looking at going to a homeless shelter and workfare. Big fucking difference.


> It is the exploitation that leads to early death and sickness. Not
> necessarily the job itself.
>
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> On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Mike Beggs wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Eric Beck <ersatzdog at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, let me ask explicitly: what's wrong with being against full
>>> employment as a demand? Jobs (little "j") fucking suck and cause as
>>> much misery, stress, and death as lack of jobs. Why demand that?
>>> Talk
>>> about desiring your own repression.
>>
>> I don't see what's so difficult about it.
>
> No shit. I don't think Eric is rolling in it, otherwise I might
> denounce him as some sort of leisure class rentier. For most people,
> job = some semblance of solvency and no job = desperation. That's not
> complicated. Yeah, jobs can suck, but joblessness sucks even more.
> This is well-established in the social science literature.
> Unemployment causes disease and early death.
>
> Doug
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