christian bayes <christianbayes01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>By the way, I really did not intend to sneer. (Maybe you weren't referring
>to me. Hard to tell. Email is volatile this way. Anyway, apologies if it
>came off that way.) I meant it when I said that I want such people to have
>fun or live a good life or whatever. I like hanging around such people. I've
>been down to the DC protests and they are mostly nice people. And I think
>that building sympathy between generally like minded people is good.
>
>At this point, some obvious discussion of demands in terms of where the
>world is now would interest me a lot more than barter and urban farming,
>though they are good things.
>
>I
>
>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>> This is nonsense. Serious nonsense. I agree that localists are a bother --
>> but if you want to engage in mass politic today you have to treat them in a
>> civil fashion. It's really stupid just to sneer at theem like this. Really
>> stupid and fucking amateurish. You have to work around them, talk patiently
>> with peole who are not localists but are attracted, etc. Same with
>> anarchists. Same with anyone you disagree with. There is always a tangle of
>> relationships and if you blunder along in this stupid amateurish sneering
>> you will be breakign unity with people that you mostly agree with.
>>
>> Carrol
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/2011 12:26 PM, Chuck Grimes wrote:
>>
>>> Not a single word about the tens of millions of unemployed and
>>> underemployed, the tens of millions without health insurance, and the
>>> tens of millions in poverty. Instead, we read about bartering, urban
>>> farming, and charities. Amazing. Doug
>>>
>>> ----------
>>>
>>> Yet, I am watching this morning (9:50pdt):
>>>
>>> http://www.livestream.com/**occupynyc<http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc>
>>>
>>> ...which seems to be heating up.
>>>
>>> Looking around again:
>>>
>>> Q: Hi, last night I found out that we have a Demands group. I’ve been
>>> meaning to say this, that I think the word “demands” is for terrorist
>>> groups. We should be working on solutions, as in the Open Source group,
>>> Visions & Goals, and in this group. I’d love to propose that we stop
>>> making demands. It has failed us the last 100 years.
>>>
>>> Point of Information: Very early on, this General Assembly agreed that
>>> we would make no demands. So before demands are made, that agreement
>>> would have to be examined.
>>>
>>> http://www.nycga.net/2011/10/**19/764/#more-764<http://www.nycga.net/2011/10/19/764/#more-764>
>>>
>>> So I think I get what's going on. Open Source group, Visions and Goals
>>> v. Terrorist group Demands? Nice framing.
>>>
>>> Comment. The visions and goals group is either very new to
>>> demonstrations or have somekind of non-political ideals they have cooked
>>> up out of thin air. I'd suggest they attended a few of Julio's classes
>>> if he is still giving them. And then send a contingent over to CUNY
>>> schools and talk to students.
>>>
>>> CG
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