[lbo-talk] Jacobin debate up

SA s11131978 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 21 21:20:32 PDT 2011


On 10/21/2011 11:51 PM, // ravi wrote:


> The “logic” (Doug’s word) behind Graeber and the Zuccotti occupation,
> per Doug, is the hope that cops can be persuaded to drop their guns
> and join the occupiers. A better logic would be to start taking over
> schools?

I think you misunderstood the exchange you're referring to. It was Graeber who said parents should take over the schools, not Doug. That was Graeber's alternative to hiring more teachers with tax money.


> Or is it better logic to come up with a list of demands? What then?
> Negotiations? With the government? Obama? Wall St CEOs?

Then you try to enlarge the number of people who are in your movement. This is already starting to happen, by the way. See today's OWS demonstration at the Harlem police station demanding (!) an end to stop-and-frisk. Or the planned march with 1,000 Verizon workers demanding (!) whatever it is the CWA is demanding. Those actions are constructive.


> IMHO, the focus on anarchists or process or some particular element of
> OWS misses what is interesting.

Who cares what's interesting? The question is what might be effective in changing the larger society - you know, the 300 million or 7 billion people outside of the park.

SA



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