[lbo-talk] London riots anew

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Thu Sep 8 20:43:41 PDT 2011


I've made this observation a number of times but I guess noo one thinks it's relevant to considering riots.

After the death of ML King, there was NO rioting in any area in which either SNCC or the Panthers had been actively organizing. Riots are pre-political, but that is NOT the same as apolitical. Why shouldn't people get angry about a police murder -- and if there is no political outlet for that anger, does that mean they have no right to express it in ways that are available. A political response is obviously better. but those who simply sneer at riots or are content with facile generalizations are in fact "rioters" themselves: they too are pre-political, obtuse as to political reality and merely expressing a personal response, which is what the rioters are doing. Believing in the right things is NOT in itself political; only entering into collective action is scholarship and journalism are essential to politics, but they are not in themselves political.

Carrol

On 9/8/2011 6:46 PM, Lenin's Tomb wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 00:17, James Heartfield wrote:
>> Last month the British Socialist Workers’ Party were lauding the riots
>> as the British equivalent of the Arab Spring. This month, the same
>> riots are ‘systematic looting’, not necessarily radical collective or
>> progressive and a sign of the relative weakness of the left.
>
> 1) No we weren't.
> 2) No, they aren't. You've distorted the meaning of the quoted sentence,
> which refers to "some" of the looting, not even of the rioting (much of
> which did not include looting). The input of gangs, as the Home
> Secretary has acknowledged under Commons interrogation yesterday, is
> nowhere near as great as advertised.
> 3) The article in question uses the all important qualifiers
> "individual" and "consciously", and follows it up with the qualifying
> statement, which you conceal with an ellipsis, "but it cannot simply be
> dismissed as apolitical". (Given that you yourself dismissed the rioters
> as apolitical and merely "having a lark", it's not surprising you left
> this out).
> 4) Not a single one of Brian Richardson's quoted observations militates
> against the thrust of the SWP's analysis, which is reproduced in the
> quoted article. The fact that it fails to coincide with the Aunt Sally
> version of the SWP's position that you have been spittle-lathering about
> doesn't mean there's any revision in this piece. Sorry to disappoint you.
>
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