[lbo-talk] the "principles of solidarity"

Michael Pollak mpollak at panix.com
Mon Sep 26 00:05:08 PDT 2011


On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, SA wrote:


> http://nycga.cc/2011/09/24/principles-of-solidarity-working-draft/
>
> I don't get it. Why the Unitarian-therapeutic tone, the prefatory
hand-wringing and throat-clearing? [....] Why not a manifesto that says
>
> 1. Here are some things we don't like about Wall Street.
>
> 2. Here are some things we don't like about current society. (In 30
> words or less - e.g., it's insufficiently free, democratic, and equal.
> That's all you need.)
>
> 3. Here's why this gathering can help to change (1) and (2). Join us.

My impression of these guys is that their primary goal is to set up a deliberative democracy -- where everyone has their say and everything gets talked through. It's kind of the ideal of democracy of which all other forms are pale compromised images. It excites them to be a part of it, and they think it will excite others. And that's why they think it will spread.

So what you're calling prefatory isn't prefatory to them. For them, it's the essence of what they're doing. This is their attempt to articulate principles of deliberative democracy -- not to articulate a program for change. Their program so far is: set up deliberative democracies like this. Recreate townsquares in a 21C form in all major cities. And then we'll have the beginning of democracy. And out of that will grow a program that people honestly agree on -- which they can't do until there is a democracy where they can really discuss it in.

So as for point 3, I don't think that's how they see their appeal. They don't see their demonstration as basically an amplifier for a message. I think rather they think people will come out of some combination of curiosity, relief (that someone is doing something) and solidarity -- and then, upon coming, some of us will be just as excited as they are by the pleasures of being part of a deliberative democracy as they are. And that is how they will grow: by spreading enthusiasm for democracy rather than getting people to sign onto a message.

As for point 2, I think they do kind of say what you're asking for that in the first paragraph that is above what you quoted: they're against economic and social injustice and political disenfranchisement. That's not as snappy as you put it. But it's kind of similar and it's still a draft. I see no reason theoretically why that first paragraph couldn't end up very much like what you're suggesting if a Cato like you were sitting in there to advocate for it.

As for point 1, besides the fact that Wall Street is all over their signs, I suspect they don't want that phrase in their manifesto precisely because they care about duplicability. Wall Street for them is the best symbolic place in NY. But in Chicago or LA there are symbolic places that will be the best for them. In that sense, it's not privileged.

All these are merely my guesses at interpreting what they seemed to be saying as a whole.

Michael



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