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> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Wojtek S wrote:
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>> [WS:] But this sounds awfully naive. How on Earth are we going to
>> have a deliberative democracy in a social environment other than
>> department faculty?
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> Well they already have it at the level of a street occupation, which is a
> lot larger and more diverse than an academic department.
> And in Madrid, which is in many ways their model, it existed on a much
> larger scale.
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> It would be difficult to imagine it working at the university level - let
>> alone society at large.
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> I think they've imagined it pretty clearly, not at the level of society,
> but at the level of a society-wide social movement. I don't think
> imagination is the problem. I think you mean it may not be practical. That
> the underlying presupposition -- that general assemblies, if properly run,
> will eventually decide important things in a way that feels legitimate and
> binding and imperative on its participants -- may be wrong, esp. when they
> get too large or diverse.
>
> Michael
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>
Michael, Michael, Michael, and Robert, Robert, Robert, as he's made clear
over and over again, Woj is an unrepentant and forlorn Progressive...
Weberian to the core... social movements hold no attraction or potential and
they get snickered and sneered at repeatedly - without deliberation or
attempting to pursue possible empirical referents - in his world... witness
his ongoing distate for but unwillingness to give up completely on
Obamanism. The mere fact that he can imagine deliberative democracy in
academic settings, and nowhere else - much less efficaciously anywhere else,
is indicative the the depth of his disconnect on these issues.
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