[lbo-talk] Noam Chomsky is losing it

Joseph Catron jncatron at gmail.com
Wed Sep 28 19:15:44 PDT 2011


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:34 AM, SA <s11131978 at gmail.com> wrote:

Well, there you go. That's what all this is about.
>

The basic aspirations of Palestinians, on which every Palestinian faction agrees? Well, yes. And here I was worried that I was beating that dead horse too hard! Apparently that's a hard trick to pull off in these parts, too.


> But frankly, I don’t really trust a lot of the people involved. I don’t
> think they’re honest. They use these very vague formulations, such that you
> don’t exactly know what they’re against. I like Uri Avnery on some days and
> dislike him on others, but here I think he’s right: you never get a clear
> sense with these people about what exactly they’re opposed to.
>

WTF are you talking about? The goals of the BDS campaign could hardly be easier to find. For example, I posted a link to them - and the organizations supporting them - in the very first post of this thread.

Just come out and say what you mean: Edward Said and Mustafa Barghouti and
> Hanan Ashrawi are all racist anti-Palestinians because of their support for
> a two state settlement.
>

And, predictably, the distortions and lies. You seem determined to confuse everyone by conflating rights (on which every Palestinian, with hardly any exceptions, agrees) with statehood (about which various people and factions have different strategic ideas). Hopefully everyone will be too astute to fall for it. The question here is one of basic Palestinian rights, including the right to return.

Said's position is hardly a secret ( http://www.mediamonitors.net/edward6.html). Nor is Barghouti's ( http://umkahlil.blogspot.com/2006/09/open-question-to-dr-mustafa-barghouti.html), which I saw him emphasize in person a few months ago. Ashrawi I have no idea about, but between her and Barghouti, what's your strange fascination with parties pulling under 3% of the vote?


> Yes, hopefully the two states would be less "ethnically exclusivist" than,
> let's say, Syria - whose constitution declares that "The Syrian Arab region
> is a part of the Arab homeland. The people in the Syrian Arab region are a
> part of the Arab nation."
>

Oh, brother. Do you moonlight as a lame Zionist propagandist? You wouldn't even be one of the better ones!

What does Syria have to do with anything? And while we all know whom the Zionists ethnically cleansed to obtain their territory, what about Syria?

("Arab," incidentally, isn't a particularly racialized construct. Learn Arab, live in an Arab country, and your children will be Arabs. It's much more akin to "American" than "Jew.")

-- "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað."



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