At 01:17 PM 8/23/2012, Carrol Cox wrote:
>Every one is searching for some abstract principle that would decide this
>question: it doesn't exist. I defend the right of leftists in the u.s. to
>say anything they want to say anyplace. I defend the right of a regime
>opposed to the U.S. to suppress any speech that threatens that independence.
>The argument has to be political rather than moral or metaphysical. When
>free speech threatens capitalism we defend it. When free speech threatens
>anti-capitalist activity, we don't necessarily defend it. (I state this
>crudely and as stated it is incorrect but it points in the right direction.)
>Ravi is correct that as an abstract principle free speech is mostly a
>libertarian myth.
>
>Carrol
>
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>
>On Aug 23, 2012, at 12:22 PM, 123hop at comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Well, they do have "hate crimes" in Europe, no? It's a hate crime to
>offend/attack a Jewish synagogue, but not a Christian church?
>
>I don't like hate crimes laws. If somebody wants to stand on a street corner
>and denounce Jews and/or Judaism, I'd hope that someone kicks the shit out
>of him or her, but it shouldn't be a crime. Damaging a synagogue is a crime,
>and it doesn't need a special designation as a hate crime.
>
>Doug
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