Wojtek Sent from my Droid On Dec 5, 2012 6:30 PM, "Marv Gandall" <marvgand at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2012-12-05, at 2:38 PM, Wojtek S wrote:
>
> > This used to be the position of the Israeli left, no?
>
> Unfortunately not. Left-wing Zionist parties like Mapam and the Israeli
> Communist Party supported the partition of Palestine into two states and
> creation of Israel in 1948 and have held that position ever since. The
> logic of Jewish settler colonialism inexorably led to the idea of a
> separate Jewish state rather than a "homeland" for Jews in a Palestinian
> state based on the two peoples, which is what the Balfour Declaration
> envisaged and which the Zionist left had largely accepted prior to World
> War II.
>
> Only the Palestine Liberation Organization led by Fatah favoured a
> unitary, secular, democratic Palestinian state where Hebrew-speaking
> minority rights would be protected, but it pursued this objective by
> guerrilla warfare after 1967 rather than by civil disobedience. The tiny
> Trotskyist left in Israel uniquely supported the PLO's armed struggle.
>
> In 1988, however, the PLO adopted a two-state solution when it became
> evident that it could not defeat Israel militarily. The the idea of a
> single state - this time to be won by non-violent struggle - has been
> revived by a growing number of intellectuals on the West Bank and in the
> Palestinian Diaspora who believe the Israelis will never agree to the
> creation of a viable and genuinely independent Palestinian state. Makdisi's
> article cited by Joe Catron expresses this viewpoint.
>
> Hamas' position is that it will accept the will of the majority of
> Palestinians should there be a settlement resulting in a separate
> Palestinian state. Despite its rhetoric about liberating all of Palestine,
> its readiness to enter into a long-term truce with Israel is de facto
> acknowledgement that the Zionist state is not about to be dislodged.
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 2012 12:48 PM, "Joseph Catron" <jncatron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Once the fiction of a separate Palestinian state is revealed to have no
> >>> more substance than the Wizard of Oz — which the E1 plan will all but
> >>> guarantee — those Palestinians who have not already done so will commit
> >>> themselves to the only viable alternative: a one-state solution, in
> which
> >>> the idea of an exclusively Jewish state and an exclusively Palestinian
> >> one
> >>> will yield to what was really all along the preferable alternative, a
> >>> single democratic and secular state in all of historical Palestine that
> >>> both peoples will have to share as equal citizens.
> >>>
> >>> A campaign for rights and equality in a single state is a project
> toward
> >>> which the Palestinians will now be able to turn with the formidable
> >>> international support they have already developed at both the
> diplomatic
> >>> and the grassroots levels, including a global boycott and sanctions
> >>> movement whose bite Israel has already felt.
> >>>
> >>> For Palestinians, in any case, one state is infinitely preferable to
> two,
> >>> for the simple reason that no version of the two-state solution that
> has
> >>> ever been proposed has meaningfully sought to address the rights of
> more
> >>> than the minority of Palestinians who actually live in the territory on
> >>> which that state is supposed to exist.
> >>>
> >>> The majority of Palestinians live either in the exile to which they
> were
> >>> driven from their homes during the creation of Israel in 1948, or as
> >>> second-class citizens of Israel, where they face formidable obstacles
> as
> >>> non-Jews in a state that reserves a full spectrum of rights only for
> >> Jews.
> >>>
> >>> For Palestinians, the right to return home and the right to live in
> >>> dignity and equality in their own land are not any less important than
> >> the
> >>> right to live free of military occupation. A separate state addressed
> >> only
> >>> the latter, but there can never be a just and lasting peace that does
> not
> >>> address all those rights ...
> >>
> >>
> >> http://nyti.ms/VDtm3C
> >>
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> >> lytlað."
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