On 2012-12-19, at 1:22 AM, Jordan Hayes wrote:
>>> The U.S. is more violent, but it
>>> doesn't follow that it's because of firearms, full stop.
>>
>> Which, despite that scatterplot, seems to be the position of approximately
>> nobody here.
>
> Except Marv and Wojtek :-)
I wrote "while gun control laws can never be fully effective, neither are they 'totally ineffective' " in reply to Wojtek.
This discussion has exhausted itself, no?