[lbo-talk] Collective idiocy....

Andy andy274 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 20:54:58 PST 2012


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net>wrote:


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I'll try to come back and run the numbers as you suggest (from the larger set, big n is good). Not sure what the point of that right wing site was.

Fearing the ugliness that I've seen result from nonspecialists from doing analysis of technical academic work, I asked an acquaintance who works in the field if she had any insight:

<quote> Is the question whether there's a relationship between gun prevalence and gun violence outside the US? I mean, obviously you can't have gun violence without guns, so places with fewer guns have less gun violence than places with more guns. The real "debate" (it's not a debate in the research) is whether all the gun homicides and suicides here would happen anyway via other means if the guns weren't around, and thus the total homicide rate would remain the same without guns. <unquote>

Many of the papers are behind paywalls, so it might take a while to round them up. In the meantime, here's a summary:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

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*1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review*).

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

*Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David*. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. *Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal *. 2004; 9:417-40.

* 2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide. *

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

*Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew*. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. *Journal of Trauma*. 2000; 49:985-88.

* 3. Across states, more guns = more homicide*

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

*Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David*. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. *American Journal of Public Health*. 2002: 92:1988-1993.

* 4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)*

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

*Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David.* State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003*. Social Science and Medicine*. 2007; 64:656-64. <unquote>

Also, Richard Florida put this together regarding gun deaths (not specifically homicides):

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/

Probably can't get involved again for a while, so you all have a good ol' drunken holiday!

IO SATURNALIA! AVE SOL INVICTUS!

-- Andy



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