[lbo-talk] Black Blocs & Other Peerennials

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Wed Feb 8 04:29:46 PST 2012


aside from which, when there IS a revolutionary party with a militia that keeps internal discipline....

isn't that awesome! I'm LOVIN' it. Hypermasculinists Unite: join the militia of the democratic socialists so you can whip comrades into shape. yay!

At 12:28 AM 2/8/2012, Carrol Cox wrote:
>Eubulides
>
><bhaskar.sunkara at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Really? When the black bloc murdered a few bank workers in Greece in May
> > 2010, the question from me was "Why doesn't the Greek CP have a militia to
> > enforce discipline at protests?"
>=================
>
>There's no such beast as a death-free dismantling of capitalism. I'll
>leave aside for now whether capitalism is even dismantleable at all.
>
>-------
>
>I agree, but perhaps the obvious needs to be added: Ian's point applies even
>to non-violent movements. Things happen. Also: The Greek CP is not
>communist, it's not anti-capitalist; it does not have a fucking thing to say
>about any anti-capitalist movement, unless you mean that as part of the
>capitalist regime it ought to put the cops more on the alert. There's a
>certain word magic involved in this assumption that merely calling something
>Communist or Socialist makes it automatically part of the left.
>
>There are always outliers; regardless of the nature of the 'core' of a
>movement, there will be elements that differ, often sharply. Bhaskar is
>indulging in pure fantasy if he imagines a CP (no matter its politics) can
>exert that kind of discipline over the whole populace.
>
>Carrol
>
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