[lbo-talk] School Debate: Central Focus

shag carpet bomb shag at cleandraws.com
Fri Feb 17 09:41:08 PST 2012


does anybody remember the name of the usenet group to which you could turn for the most fascinating responses to questions like these. they would have the most arcane, albeit interesting, discussions of some phrase or word, its origins, etc.

there was another excellent list, staffed mostly by librarians, who could find the answer to the damnedest picayune little questions.

At 12:23 PM 2/17/2012, Andy wrote:
>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:02 PM, // ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> wrote:
>
> > Waitaminit

as the resident vegetarian, that should've been my line.
> Anyway, what's so wrong about chopped liver? Why is it the stand-in for
> worthlessness? It's likely chock full of iron and other good stuff, no?
>
>Some hypotheses (google with 'origin "what am i chopped liver" '):
>
>http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/213/Q3/
>
>As far as I know, the origins of the phrase are not Yiddish; I believe
>the phrase was originally coined in America. Being that chopped liver
>was always considered a side dish and not a main course, the phrase is
>used to express hurt and amazement when a person feels he has been
>overlooked and treated just like a "side dish."
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/25/magazine/on-language-enough-already-what-am-i-chopped-liver.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
>
>WHAT AM I?
>
>At a chic Washington cocktail party, Elizabeth Drew, author of
>''Whatever It Takes: The Real Struggle for Political Power in
>America,'' accepted an hors d'oeuvre of chopped liver smeared on a
>cracker and asked: ''Chopped liver is delicious. Why do people
>derogate it so? As in the expression, 'What am I, chopped liver?' ''
>
>[...]
>
>This show-biz usage contributed to the treatment of the ethnic
>culinary delicacy (in Yiddish, gehakte leber) as an object of disdain.
>It may have also been influenced by its sense in underworld lingo as
>''a beaten and scarred person,'' or by the urbanization of the
>once-rural expression ''That ain't hay.'' Steinmetz speculates:
>''Chopped liver is merely an appetizer or side dish, not as important
>as chicken soup or gefilte fish. Hence it was often used among Jewish
>comedians in the Borscht Belt as a humorous metaphor for something or
>someone insignificant.''
>
>
>
>--
>Andy
>
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