[lbo-talk] [Pen-l] Where are the anti-war liberals?

Wojtek S wsoko52 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 22 06:37:57 PST 2012


Robert: "I bet if the question asked: "Do you think the U.S. should continue to use drone strikes to target low-level fighters in Pakistan, who are not known to have engaged in any attacks against the United States, despite the fact that many current and former U.S. officials say that the policy has become counterproductive, and despite the fact that many Pakistanis and independent groups believe that the policy has produced significant civilian casualties," the answer would be very different."

[WS:] Which is a textbook example of how NOT to ask survey questions.

The broader point here is that the so-called opinion surveys are, for the most part utterly useless, a total waste of resources. They are like measuring shapes of clouds in the sky. A far better approach to gauging people's perceptions of issues are focus groups - which incidentally would probably yield results similar to ones that you hypothesize. But establishing this is not the point of most surveys. Most surveys are used the same way as drunks use lamp posts - for support rather than enlightenment.

Wojtek

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
> Most Americans know very little about the drone strikes. If more
> detailed questions were asked and raised, I think a more nuanced
> picture would emerge.
>
> For example, President Obama claimed in his "google hangout" that the
> drone strikes only target named people on a list.
>
> But as the New York Times subsequently pointed out, citing U.S.
> officials, that is simply not true.
>
> When the Washington Post asked,
>
> "13. Changing topics, thinking about the following decisions of the
> Obama administration, please tell me whether you strongly approve,
> somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove...The
> use of unmanned, “drone” aircraft against terrorist suspects overseas
> "
>
> What exactly was it that people were saying yes to?
>
> I bet if the question asked: "Do you think the U.S. should continue to
> use drone strikes to target low-level fighters in Pakistan, who are
> not known to have engaged in any attacks against the United States,
> despite the fact that many current and former U.S. officials say that
> the policy has become counterproductive, and despite the fact that
> many Pakistanis and independent groups believe that the policy has
> produced significant civilian casualties," the answer would be very
> different.
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:29 AM, ken hanly <northsunm at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-finds-broad-support-for-obamas-counterterrorism-policies/2012/02/07/gIQAFrSEyQ_story.html
>>
>> But fully 77 percent of liberal Democrats endorse the use of drones, meaning
>> that Obama is unlikely to suffer any political consequences as a result of
>> his policy in this election year.
>>
>> The poll shows that 53 percent of self-identified liberal Democrats — and
>> 67 percent of moderate or conservative Democrats — support keeping
>> Guantanamo Bay open, even though it emerged as a symbol of the post-Sept. 11
>> national security policies of President George W. Bush, which many liberals
>> bitterly opposed.
>>
>>  Liberal democratic hawks seem to be the predominant species.
>>
>> Cheers ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
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