[lbo-talk] Europe's soft coup

Marv marvgand at gmail.com
Thu Feb 23 10:24:21 PST 2012


On 2012-02-23, at 12:02 PM, Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> wrote:


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> So James is quite correct, insofar as the fraudulent bourgeois "democracy" nevertheless involves the formal (though only formal) possibility of the working classes, overwhelmingly preponderant in the electorate, establishing real democracy (what Marxists call the dictatorship of the proletariat) through constitutional processes.

You mean to say that bourgeois democracy is antithetical to the proletarian dictatorship in Marxist theory, don't you, Shane? The social democrats under Bernstein "revised" Marxist theory to suggest that the bourgeois state could be captured peacefully to "establish real democracy...through constitutional processes", but the revolutionary Marxists, notably Lenin and Luxembourg, rejected this notion and argued that the bourgeois democratic state would have to be overthrown and replaced by a wholly new form of government based on the working class. I don't think any of them believed in a peaceful road to socialism even if they may have hedged their bets by acknowledging it as a "formal possibility".



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