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From: Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu>
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:15 AM
>Subject: [lbo-talk] "The Telos Gang, was ] Russell Berman. . .
>
>Telos went through several 'stages.' For several years it was seriously
>useful in bringing to our attention various strands of European Marxism and
>various theoretical issues. Then there was a jumbled period; and then a
>plunge into the abyss. So voices from The Telos Gang are not necessarily
>uniformly toxic.
>
>Carrol
>
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>From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]
>On Behalf Of Sean Andrews
>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:58 PM
>To: Lbo-Talk at Lbo-Talk. Org
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Russell Berman on the 60s
>
>Oh jeez I should have read further. This is some guy from the Telos gang -
>or at least from their angle. Ugh these reactionaries. And this is the
>message I send to the list on July 14. Damn. In any case, this stuff has
>me in a fog and I'm really trying to nail down where Liu is coming from and
>I want to be charitable as some of her argument makes sense. Other times it
>just seems randomly polemical.
>
>On Saturday, July 14, 2012, Sean Andrews wrote:
>
>> This seems like a very provocative article so far. Only a few pages in,
>> but surprised I hadn't heard of it. He has a scathing critique of the most
>> radical elements of the late 60s - I use that term as an unfortunate
>> shorthand for email communication, not as a pprovocation in itelf, Dr.
>Cox.
>> I may be behind the curve on this one, but I don't recall a conversation
>> here on it.
>>
>> From 'Left-Fascism' to Campus Anti-Semitism: Radicalism as Reaction
>>
>> http://dissentmagazine.org/democratiya/article.php?article=226
>>
>> Incidentally, I was led to the article by Catherine Liu's book American
>> Idyll. Doug had an interview with her a few months back. It is also quite
>> provocative and I was surprised at how unusual it is - and how closely her
>> argument tracks those resistant to the notion that antiintellectualism is
>a
>> thoroughly disabling starting position for a radical movement. She also
>> digs deeply into the origins of testing in education (tying it to the
>> misappropriation of Dewey and pragmatism in general by opportunist,
>> reactionary elites.) I think this was the main topic of Doug's chat with
>> her, but there is really a lot more to her book than that. Sometimes it
>> sees to wander a bit, but that may be because this is the first serious
>> book like this I've attempted to read on the Kindle. Messes with you.
>>
>> Anyway both seem of interest to people on the list so I thought I'd see if
>> anyone had read or talked about these works. Liu also has a very nice
>> recuperation and contextualizarion of Adorno's long essay on the astrology
>> column of the LA Times, "The stars down to earth." Has sent me to the
>> latter work, which is an amazing discussion of the irrational in culture -
>> a much more sophisticated and empathetic Thomas Frank a la What's the
>> Matter with Kansas. Good stuff.
>>
>> Hope all's well,
>> Sean
>>
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