[lbo-talk] George Monbiot on Karl Marx

socialismorbarbarism socialismorbarbarism at gmail.com
Tue Mar 6 09:25:47 PST 2012


"...the Manifesto contains in theoretical form many of the horrors later visited upon the people of the Soviet Union..."

OK, stupidity, a kind of typical quasi-intellectual liberal journalist's stupidity that is reflexive in the United States--and has been for oh 65 years or so. Is this significant because it is written in the UK? Or is anything George Monbiot writes supposed to be important? (Not rhetorical, I really don't know.)

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:34 PM, James Heartfield <Heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> George Monbiot's long rant against Ayn Rand http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/05/new-right-ayn-rand-marx  lets him squeeze this judgment on Karl Marx in. Apparently Ayn Rand was 'what Karl Marx once was to the left: a demigod at the head of a chiliastic cult.'
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> Further down the comments, Monbiot is pulled up on this and says
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> 'I agree with you on Marx's erudition and insight, but to me the Manifesto contains in theoretical form many of the horrors later visited upon the people of the Soviet Union and some other communist nations. Dialectical materialism reduces humanity's complex social and political relations to a simple conflict between the “bourgeoisie” and the “proletariat”; ie the owners of property and the workers, by which Marx and Engels meant, basically, factory workers. Any class which didn't tick one of these boxes was either, like the peasants, shopkeepers, artisans and aristocrats, destined to “decay and finally disappear in the face of modern industry”, or, like the unemployed, was “social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of old society”, with no legitimate existence in a post-revolutionary world. But the world didn't work like that, and the people who didn't fit had to be shoved under the wheel of history.'
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> http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/15002362
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