[lbo-talk] Stalinism (was Eric Hobsbawm)

andie_nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 9 08:15:34 PDT 2012


Some and some. Russian light arms were superior to anyone's. the post war AK-47 is still the gold standard in assault rifles. The T-34 was in its day the best light tank in the world. And the Soviets did have access to a lot of Western technology, in the 20s, when there was a lot of covert trade with Germany, in the 30s, when a number of Western factories moved to the USSR because there were no markets at home -- I ave several 40s Soviet watches from the First and Second Soviet watch factory that moved to the USSR from Ohio in the 30s, still work too.

But a study by the ex-socialist and now vehehemently right wing but very good scholar Janos Kornai, The Socialist System, includes a comparative analysis of innovation and finds exactly one major innovation of formerly existing socialism, the satellite, out of 20 some basic innovations of the 20th century. This despite the fact that Soviet scientists and engineers were second to none. The system failed them for reasons Hayek explained.

More generally the Soviet system was lost from the start, as Lenin foresaw (without a successful,German revolution), partly because of Hayekian reasons, partly because of foreign hostility, partly because of the triumph of a hidebound bureaucracy under the dictatorship of a cruel and irrational tyrant. But I don't think Bukharin or Trotsky could have saved the Soviet experiment. Socialism in one country was a fact, and a trap, not a choice. As Isaac Deutscher said, socialism in a backwards country gives you backwards socialism. Alternative leadership would have been less savage and destructive, but the USSR was doomed after November 1918.

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On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:05 PM, michael perelman <michael.perelman3 at gmail.com> wrote:


> James Heartfeld wrote:
>
> "there was no possibility of building socialism in Russia, without
> access to western technology, on terms that simply were not on offer."
>
> I don't know. Others are more up on the subject than I am, but my
> sources indicate that the Soviets's weapons were superior to the
> Nazis. The country had pretty good training in science, math, and
> technology.
>
> Too much of their resource went into the military, but they were
> surrounded by enemies.
>
>
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