(WS:) I didn't make facts up, I was relying on media reports. FYI, I finally did read the transcript of the trial (I'm normally too busy to spend time on such pursuits) and I have to admit that your representation of what happened was more accurate than the one I was relying on. It appears that while Z was following M, it was M who actually confronted Z. In this light, self defense appears justified.
While we are at this, I still believe that avoiding confrontation and not having a deadly weapon is better than "standing your ground". I always followed that approach, and I haven't terribly suffered. Z OTOH ..... If he didn't have a gun, he would have ended up with a few bruises and didn't even remember the whole thing now..
Wojtek Sent from my Droid On Jul 17, 2013 10:56 AM, "Jordan Hayes" <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com> wrote:
> Wojtek writes:
>
> OK, I see it now. All that matters is who got better of
>> whom during a cock fight and thus had the right to self defense.
>>
>
> I don't agree that this is an adequate summary of the concept of
> self-defense, but whatever.
>
> But for a moment, please focus on a broader social context of
>> this case and answer the following question, which I have
>> been asking time and again:
>>
>
> Thinking about the broader context is fine, but you've just been making up
> facts that aren't grounded to reality and fitting them into a (convoluted!)
> narrative that seems to please you; like I said, you've been in the Court
> of Wojtek, where surely you are king. I will say however, that I don't
> think this case HAS a broader social context. I don't think it represents
> a precedent, a trend, or Something Important to watch for. A dark night,
> bad decisions, tragic actions, dozens of shattered lives. End of story.
>
> I think it's been a big waste of time, frankly.
>
> Do you think that justice has been served by acquitting Z of any
>> wrongdoing in this case?
>>
>
> I know that you know that this is not what happened. Trials are about a
> particular thing, there's no such thing as a trial that ends with
> "acquitting Z of any wrongdoing" ... he was acquitted of the particular
> charges brought.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_fallacies#Formal_**fallacies<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies#Formal_fallacies>
>
> /jordan
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