[lbo-talk] LBO Tiff goes Viral on Counterpunch

[Carrol Cox]

I don't think highly of ISO either -- but Robert is I think correct. In I
gather that the ISO, at least in recent years, has been far less sectarian
than most Trotskyist groups in the past. So probably   one should not  make
sweeping judgments about Trotskyists in General.  I have trouble following
my own advice here, in part because I get so fucking tired of "Stalinist"
used as an all-purpose epithet for polemical purposes. (I think even the
Fourth International has forsworn dogmatic Trotskyism.)

Carrol


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> On Behalf Of robert wood
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 3:39 PM
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] LBO Tiff goes Viral on Counterpunch
> 
> The problem here is that they attack the ISO, who have been fairly good
> about the troubles within the SWP, and by most accounts have been fairly
> accountable in regards to the issues of sexual violence.  I'm not really a
> huge fan of the organization, but this strikes me as unfair, and really
> just a petty response to the largely justified critical article written by
> the org.
> robert wood
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Eric Beck <ersatzdog at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, June 1, 2013, Marv Gandall wrote:
> >
> > > Whatever you may think of the ISO or Trotskyism - or the CP or the
> > > anarchists or the Socialist Party, for that matter - this reeks of
> > ignorant
> > > red-baiting.
> >
> >
> >  Well I don't think much of either, but I don't see the red-baiting (I
also
> > don't follow the Counterpunch line). In fact, recent events have shown
just
> > how far removed from actual social struggles Trotskyist groups are: the
> > appalling covering up of rape by the head honchos of the SWP, and the
> > belief that such events are best handled privately, followed by
> > unconditional support for the SWP's actions by several Trot orgs,
> > indicate a disregard for the horrors of sexual violence (and that's
putting
> > it diplomatically). Unfortunately, St. Clair is spot on here.
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