[lbo-talk] Links to Guardian articles on NSA

socialismorbarbarism socialismorbarbarism at gmail.com
Sat Jun 22 23:47:35 PDT 2013


Chuck: "Why do I think every denial is an admission?"

As Claud Cockburn immortalized it: "Believe nothing until it has been officially denied."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claud_Cockburn

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Chuck Grimes <cagrimes42 at gmail.com> wrote:


> Boring Saturday, just checking the news...
>
> ``The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures
> set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President
> Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access
> Americans' call or email information without warrants.
>
> The documents also show that discretion as to who is actually targeted
> under the NSA's foreign surveillance powers lies directly with its own
> analysts, without recourse to courts or superiors - though a percentage of
> targeting decisions are reviewed by internal audit teams on a regular
> basis.''
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/**world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-**
> nsa-without-warran<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warran>
>
> Below are two pdf files of documents that outline the provisions for
> surveillance of US and non-US targets.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/**world/interactive/2013/jun/20/**
> exhibit-a-procedures-nsa-**document<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/20/exhibit-a-procedures-nsa-document>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/**world/interactive/2013/jun/20/**
> exhibit-b-nsa-procedures-**document<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/20/exhibit-b-nsa-procedures-document>
>
> One of the more interesting provisions is the use of foreign governments
> for translation purposes. The NSA can send its data to foreign governments
> for translation! Of course foreign governments are obligated not keep
> copies or use the information. Of course they are. If you can't trust
> foreign governments, who can you trust?
>
> Another interesting quote:
>
> ``An N.S.A. spokeswoman, Judith Emmel, said the agency does not use
> foreign partners to evade American restrictions. `Any allegation that
> N.S.A. relies on its foreign partners to circumvent U.S. law is absolutely
> false,' she said. `N.S.A. does not ask its foreign partners to undertake
> any intelligence activity that the U.S. government would be legally
> prohibited from undertaking itself.' ''
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/**06/22/us/snowden-espionage-**
> act.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/us/snowden-espionage-act.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&>
>
> Why do I think every denial is an admission?
>
> CG
>
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