-clip- And "things are different now", unless you believe that the level of working class consciousness and combativity is the same as it was during the rise of the labour and socialist movement from roughly the middle of the 18th to the middle of the 19th century. The decline of this movement has severely limited the possibilities for the left, as difficult as this may be to accept for voluntarists who extrapolate from the continued existence of capitalism that "things are no different", and attribute the failure to overthrow the system mainly to the ideological confusion of generations of socialists and the outright treachery of their leader
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CB: Hear, hear ! This is a very cogent observation by Marv.