[lbo-talk] Bruce Bartlett: " I think it is only a matter of time before the Tea Party morphs into unapologetic fascism"

Max Sawicky sawicky at verizon.net
Tue Nov 12 12:59:51 PST 2013


Slight correction to CB, Bruce Bartlett is anything but within the Republican Party these days. He denounces them from top to bottom literally every day. It is true that he is no Democrat either.

Re: the overtly anti-semitic Jobbiks in Hungary, recent New Yorker article recounts the tale of Jobbik's leader discovering he is Jewish.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


> Lenin, Trotsky, & Stalin may have misunderstood Marx, as innumerable
> Marxists have, but they were all three better "Marxists" than WS could
> pretend to be. I have disagreed with Marv, but he is certainly correct
> here.
>
> Carrol
>
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> time before the Tea Party morphs into unapologetic fascism"
>
> On 2013-11-12, at 1:14 PM, Wojtek S <wsoko52 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Joanna: "Trotsky and Lenin were keenly aware of this, and a good deal
> > of organizing went on to make sure that they would have the support of
> > the military."
> >
> > [WS:] My point exactly. Whether they called themselves "Marxist" is
> > irrelevant to my argument which pertains to Marxist theory explaining
> > historical event purely in terms of broadly defined classes.
>
> I didn't understand that to be your point. I understood you to be
> suggesting, as you have done previously, that the military - meaning the
> military high command - drove radical political change from the top, rather
> than it being the result of class struggles from below.
>
> In fact, in successful revolutionary situations, it splits along class
> lines, with junior officers and the ranks typically refusing to obey the
> instructions of the general staff to repress an insurgency.
>
> This was well understood by Marx, Engels, and subsequent generations of
> Marxists, who regarded the conduct of revolutionary agitation within the
> armed forces as decisive. I'm sure Joanna's reference was not to the
> military as a whole in the Russian Revolution but to its lower ranks, who
> were urged by the Bolsheviks to "turn their guns" against the Tsar's
> commanders. Where insurrections failed, it was mostly owing to the
> inability
> of the revolutionary leadership to entice the mostly peasant conscript
> armies to their side.
>
> Where class struggles have erupted, they have been mirrored inside the
> armed
> forces. "The military" is no more monolithic an institution than is "the
> nation".
>
> > --
> > Wojtek
> >
> > "An anarchist is a neoliberal without money."
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