> But it doesn't matter how much you might like it to be the case, if your
> team loses, they lose. That's a fact. You (and most others) might still
> prefer them to the winning team, but that doesn't make them the winning
> team, because sport is not a popularity context, you have to win the game.
> Get it?
[WS:] sometimes they win, sometimes they lose - but the fans follow the team even if it loses several games in a row. And that is an objective fact - far more objective than abstract relations to the means of production. The team is real, the game is real, the fans are real, the outcome is real, the paraphernalia and what not is real. Class that is not represented by any real institutional interests is not real at all - it lives only in the imagination of armchair academics and company. The working class is real when it has unions, political parties, the media and other "organic intellectuals" articulating its interests in a way that resonates with the followers. Otherwise it is an abstraction. In the same way, a football team that does not have institutional existence is not a team at all but just a bunch of guys kicking the ball around in their pastime. There is nothing subjective about it.
-- Wojtek
"An anarchist is a neoliberal without money."