On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Dennis Redmond <metalslorg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Charles, cease this nuttery. There was NO fascist coup in Ukraine. There
> was a popular protest movement against a corrupt kleptocrat, Yanukovych,
> who stole billions from the Ukrainian people. He was impeached by a quorum
> of the democratically elected Ukrainian parliament. Ukraine then had a free
> and fair presidential election, which Peter Poroshenko, a pragmatic
> centrist, won by 53% (Timoshenko got around 13%, and the Far Right
> candidate got all of 2% -- that's a two, not a twenty -- of the vote).
>
> Right now, Russia has somewhere between 2,000 to 5,000 soldiers occupying a
> tiny sliver of Donbas in eastern Ukraine, a region which is 70% ethnic
> Ukrainian, by the way. Putin's criminally insane invasion is 100% swinish
> capitalist imperialism. It is no different from the US oiligarchy's equally
> criminal and insane invasion of Iraq in 2003.
>
> Finally, there is NOTHING Soviet about Putin. He is a capitalist gangster,
> the hired goon of the Russian plutocrats who steal hundreds of billions
> from the Russian people every year through scams and capital flight. If the
> Koch brothers ever ran a nation-state, it would look like Putinist Russia.
>
> -- DRR
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Charles Brown <cb31450 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine
>>
>>
>> Tony Black via lists.riseup.net
>>
>> Aug 29 (4 days ago)
>>
>>
>> to A-List
>> http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/
>>
>>
>>
>> Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
>> Wednesday, 27 August 2014
>>
>>
>>
>> A letter sent by a prominent Dutch Professor to Russian president
>> Vladimir Putin has attracted much media attention in Europe. The
>> letter was written by Professor Cees Hamelink and signed by dozens of
>> Dutch intellectuals and professors. Below is the letter in its
>> entirety.
>>
>> Dear Mr. President Putin,
>>
>> Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in
>> the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning
>> MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.
>>
>> We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led
>> by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves
>> more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used
>> for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is
>> required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted
>> for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.
>>
>> You have saved us from a conflict in Syria that could have escalated
>> into a World War. The mass killing of innocent Syrian civilians
>> through gassing by ‘Al-‐Qaeda’ terrorists, trained and armed by the
>> US and paid for by Saudi Arabia, was blamed on Assad. In doing so, the
>> West hoped public opinion would turn against Assad, paving the way for
>> an attack on Syria.
>>
>> Not long after this, Western forces have built up, trained and armed
>> an ‘opposition’ in the Ukraine, to prepare a coup against the
>> legitimate Government in Kiev. The putschists taking over were quickly
>> recognized by Western Governments. They were provided with loans from
>> our tax money to prop their new Government up.
>>
>> The people of the Crimea did not agree with this and showed this with
>> peaceful demonstrations. Anonymous snipers and violence by Ukrainian
>> troops turned these demonstrations into demands for independence from
>> Kiev. Whether you support these separatist movements is immaterial,
>> considering the blatant Imperialism of the West.
>>
>> Russia is wrongly accused, without evidence or investigation, of
>> delivering the weapons systems that allegedly brought down MH17. For
>> this reason Western Governments claim they have a right to
>> economically pressure Russia.
>>
>> We, awake citizens of the West, who see the lies and machinations of
>> our Governments, wish to offer you our apologies for what is done in
>> our name.
>>
>> It’s unfortunately true, that our media have lost all independence and
>> are just mouthpieces for the Powers that Be. Because of this, Western
>> people tend to have a warped view of reality and are unable to hold
>> their politicians to account.
>>
>> Our hopes are focused on your wisdom. We want Peace. We see that
>> Western Governments do not serve the people but are working towards a
>> New World Order. The destruction of sovereign nations and the killing
>> of millions of innocent people is, seemingly, a price worth paying for
>> them, to achieve this goal.
>>
>> We, the people of the Netherlands, want Peace and Justice, also for
>> and with Russia.
>>
>> We hope to make clear that the Dutch Government speaks for itself
>> only. We pray our efforts will help to diffuse the rising tensions
>> between our Nations.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Professor Cees Hamelink
>> __._,_.___
>>
>>
>> Posted by: Sami Joseph <sajoseph2005 at yahoo.com>
>>
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