[lbo-talk] Confusing the Symptom with the Illness

[Eric Beck]

I don't think that's true. It might be the case that policy-wise they
haven't oscillated all the way to social-democracy (to drag out the
tortured metaphor), but as far as the range of acceptable and even possible
bourgeois-party policies, I don't think it's changed. Corbyn and Sanders
are proof that full-employment policies, at least partial nationalization
(of health care, e.g.), etc., are still very much "on the table."

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Jim Farmelant <farmelantj at juno.com> wrote:


>
> In recent years, it seems more like that capitalist democracies are
> oscillating between a neoliberal pole and populist-nationalist-fascist pole.
>
> The social democratic pole seems to have largely disappeared in most of
> the capitalist democracies as the old center-left parties embraced
> neoliberalism.
>
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> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Eric Beck <ersatzdog at gmail.com>
> To: lbo-talk <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Confusing the Symptom with the Illness
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 09:40:26 -0500
>
> Sure. As always, capitalist democracies oscillates between its poles,
> namely a fascist pole and a social-democratic pole.
>
> But it's worth thinking about why Trump instead of some other option. It's
> even way more thinking about, and worrying about, the range of
> possibilities of forces that Trump can merge and the directions he can lead
> alliances. It's annoying Marxist hardtalk to pretend he presents the same
> politics and governance as, say, Obama.
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Cox, Carrol <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Proposition for Contemplation
> >
> > Trump is not the  problem; he is a symptom of the problem.
> >
> > What social/political/economic conditions _led_ to Trump? Focusing on
> > Trump will only guarantee a new Trump around the corner.
> >
> > Carrol
> >
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