I looked up the McM quote. McM actually said, Toryism has always been a sort of paternalistic Socialism. This was in the days before Thatcher, of course. And it's a clue to what he thought socialism (i.e., British Labourism, Webbism) was about. In fact there;s probably not that much difference between wet Toryism of the old school and the Fabianism of Beatrice and Sidney Webb. --jks