>>> James Devine writes:
Charles Brown writes: > Oh. If you are not being sarcastic, then I
disagree. I do think that finance capital liked the slaughter of
communists, laborites and Jews.<
James Devine comments How can "finance capital" (an abstraction) "like" anything?
>>>> Charles replies:
Well, I am not being strict with grammar here. Finance capital is a class. Correctly said it is that the fiancial oligarchy liked the slaughter. The dictatorship of the bourgeoisie is made up of actual dictators who do like or dislike specific political occurences based on their class or material interests. So I am not sure why you are trying to make a political point as if I think an abstraction is has human characterisitcs or by "like" I mean some fancy and not a material interest. I think you know what I mean. There is no valid criticism of what I am saying based on the idea that the bourgeois ruling class is not human beings with inhuman interests>>
James Devine: In any event, the long-term goals of finance capital do not involve mass murder. They want us all to be willing borrowers, consumers, and workers. The wars, the mass murders, come because (1) the various parts of the ruling class fight amongst themselves and (2) people fight back. Sometimes, the capitalists (in desperation) turn power over to a Hitler or a Suharto because they want to maintain their (the capitalists') power. They often apologize for these turds' policies (especially those of a Suharto). But do the really "want" slaughter?
Charles Brown:
Well, I agree that the preferred form of government and rule of the bourgeoisie is the bourgeois democratic republic and not fascism. Just as they must have wage-labor and not slavery. And I agree that when they turn to fascism it is a sign of desparation. But there is a repeated tendency from slavery to fascism to cheat on their own preference, especially among sort of noveau riche or those ignorant of the core capitalist values. But the vulgar capitalists do hold sway at some points in history.
I don't disagree with your outline of some of the main elements of how things fall into open terrorist rule. But when the dust cleared, I don't think the surviving capitalists were upset with the removal of Hitler's main victims, especially communists , trade unionists, and millions of Soviets people, not to mention destroy Soviet industry and "everything".
The bourgeoisie thrive on racism as a basis to divide and conquer the working class and scapegoating. Thus, the racism against Jews is in bourgeois interest overall. Also, the Jews were scapegoats or substitute targets (of working class anger) in place of none other than the bourgeoise themselves.This is criticality of the stereotype of the rich Jew. The bourgeoisie say, "Capitalism is run by Jews, so get them for your unhappy econcomic circumstance , workers,.(not us)"
The bourgeoisie want profits. If slaughter helps that and prevents revolution, they want it.
C.B.