no amount of small arms are going to stop 24 apache helicopters, sure. but, as margaret said, arms change the odds. and remember what the symbionese liberation army did with just one media heiress, a bunch of carbines, and a little media obsession. at the very least, you have to give them the food drive in '74 that distributed over $2 million in greater san francisco. for a while, the fbi thought they *were* a large organization with ambitious west-coast revolutionary cells.