Anarchism / Marxism debates

William S. Lear rael at zopyra.com
Tue Aug 17 06:55:30 PDT 1999


On Monday, August 16, 1999 at 18:31:56 (-0400) Brett Knowlton writes:
>Hey Max,
>
>>I dig Chomsky and agree w/most of the rest of what
>>you say, but as soon as we're in the bag of decentralization,
>>or "workers control" on a sub-national basis, we're talking
>>about markets and non-public ownership of capital. ...

Of course Max is wrong here; as usual, he simply assumes that the market is the only option. Brett takes this up below ...


>>...
>>but at bottom with no plan there must be a market. If
>>a plan is concocted either by the center or democratically
>>a la Hahnel, there is no real control by workers. If there
>>is control, there can be no plan.

False dichotomy as usual here. Max wants absolutes to support his contentions. Markets have no "plan" (false), and planning means no "real control by workers" (again false). Just how Max manages to tug all or most of the decision-making power under democracy away from workers, is quite clear: sheer definition.


>Currently I'd support a democratic plan a la Albert and Hahnel. Although
>there are market-like aspects to their plan also. ...

Which market-like aspects to you see? From what I have read, they are adamantly opposed to any market-like aspects, as one of their central arguments is the built-in bias and alienation associated with even limited markets. Perhaps I've missed something...

Bill



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