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James L Westrich II westrich at miser.umass.edu
Wed Jun 2 05:54:51 PDT 1999



>>>At 17:14 01/06/99 -0400, Max wrote:


>>>thread title RE: Civilian targets "legitimate"


>>>> C. Burford said:
>>>>> The Serbs report that in addition to the 30 civilian deaths on
>>>>Sunday,
>>>>there has been an attack on an apartment block in the south of
>>>>Serbia. They
>>>>say the deaths total 50 in the last two days. >
>>>>
>>>>There is also the report that NATO bombed a bridge in the middle
>>>>of 'market day,' then five or fifteen minutes later, when people
>>>>were trying to assist victims of the bombing, they dropped
>>>>another one in the same place. Textbook terrorist tactics.
>>>>
>>>>I'm ready to get off this bus. I see no movement towards efforts
>>>>to protect Kosovars or their interests by Nato. In light of this
>>>>deficiency, we've only got what amount to serial atrocities by
>>>>Nato.


>>>A little while again Angela raised the question of whether discussion lists
>>>really are discussion lists under the thread title above.


>>>While I do not agree entirely with Max's approach, I suggest this shift of
>>>position by him is not solely the result of unfolding events which we are
>>>all reacting to, but is a vindication of the uncensored policies of
>>>moderators like Doug and Rob. I am contrasting that with stances taken at
>>>least at one time by Mark and Louis P on their lists, although Mark has had
>>>a change of heart.


>>> The effect of the latter was actually to restrict the ability of the
>>>majority of posters to challenge and test the opinion of those they
>>>perceived as supporters of NATO.


>>>I suggest that Doug and Rob have shown themselves no less opposed to this
>>>war by NATO than Louis and Mark, but IMO, and of course I am biassed, I
>>>consider they also gave a wider consideration to the broad aims of their
>>>lists as written down. That has enabled all of us to learn.


>>>All told, considering the gravity of the events and their topical nature, I
>>>think the wider marxism-space could have done a lot worse. The challenges
>>>that have been made have for the most part not been primarily personal. We
>>>have not found how to integrate a principled position with actually
>>>changing practice, but we have got nearer the process.


>>>Chris Burford


>>>London


>>>



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