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James L Westrich II westrich at miser.umass.edu
Wed Jun 2 05:40:20 PDT 1999



>>At 17:14 01/06/99 -0400, Max wrote:


>>thread title RE: Civilian targets "legitimate"


>>> C. Burford said:
>>>> The Serbs report that in addition to the 30 civilian deaths on
>>>Sunday,
>>>there has been an attack on an apartment block in the south of
>>>Serbia. They
>>>say the deaths total 50 in the last two days. >
>>>
>>>There is also the report that NATO bombed a bridge in the middle
>>>of 'market day,' then five or fifteen minutes later, when people
>>>were trying to assist victims of the bombing, they dropped
>>>another one in the same place. Textbook terrorist tactics.
>>>
>>>I'm ready to get off this bus. I see no movement towards efforts
>>>to protect Kosovars or their interests by Nato. In light of this
>>>deficiency, we've only got what amount to serial atrocities by
>>>Nato.


>>A little while again Angela raised the question of whether discussion lists
>>really are discussion lists under the thread title above.


>>While I do not agree entirely with Max's approach, I suggest this shift of
>>position by him is not solely the result of unfolding events which we are
>>all reacting to, but is a vindication of the uncensored policies of
>>moderators like Doug and Rob. I am contrasting that with stances taken at
>>least at one time by Mark and Louis P on their lists, although Mark has had
>>a change of heart.


>> The effect of the latter was actually to restrict the ability of the
>>majority of posters to challenge and test the opinion of those they
>>perceived as supporters of NATO.


>>I suggest that Doug and Rob have shown themselves no less opposed to this
>>war by NATO than Louis and Mark, but IMO, and of course I am biassed, I
>>consider they also gave a wider consideration to the broad aims of their
>>lists as written down. That has enabled all of us to learn.


>>All told, considering the gravity of the events and their topical nature, I
>>think the wider marxism-space could have done a lot worse. The challenges
>>that have been made have for the most part not been primarily personal. We
>>have not found how to integrate a principled position with actually
>>changing practice, but we have got nearer the process.


>>Chris Burford


>>London


>>



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