Comparing Mao to Hitler

Chris Burford cburford at gn.apc.org
Sun Jun 6 23:17:06 PDT 1999


At 00:24 07/06/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Chris Burford wrote:
>
>> I sense however the question is more fundamental than respect for Mao,
>since it
>> is not controversial that Mao made major errors. It is a question of
>respect for
>> the Chinese people.
>
>This is the reason I suggested the Max and Delong sophmoric ridicule of my
>serious
>reponse the decision making process in Chinese mass movenments racist.
>They find lampooning communist rhetoric funny and used it to refute a
>serious
>staement. Western rhetoric on free market merits and the virtues of
>"democracy"
>sound equally illogical to progressive Asians, yet we don't lampoon it
>because we
>don't enjoy racist humor.
>
>----------
>
>Yo, Chris --
>
>Where in the wide world of sports did you get the idea that
>Mr. Henry C.K. Liu had been appointed arbiter of who commanded
>respect from the rather numerous Chinese people? Don't you
>imagine quite a few Chinese people of good will think Mao was
>a bag of shit? Or that those associated with the present
>democracy movement have a different view of the current
>regime than our Stalinist billion-dollar fund manager?
>
>Speaking for myself, rather than the capitalist roader DeLong,
>I'd just like to point out that Mr. Henry C.K. Liu reacts to
>criticism by branding the source as racist and claiming it
>is directed at the suffering masses of the world,
>rather than his own sorry, lyin' ass.
>
>mbs

I have differences with Henry Liu, as I have differences with you, and with Brad DeLong. That is normal. The issue is how are those differences managed.

I have signalled some reservations about Henry copying material from BDL to this list because the context of the words or the "thrust" is not clear, but BDL has now stated his position here. I do not think KCHL is the sole representative of the Chinese People and it is true there is a danger of this issue being represented too personally on this list. IMHO.

I happen to think that a broad list is strengthened by contributions from such differing viewpoints as the three of yours.

I suggest in this case you are too inaccurate in your criticisms as well as vulnerable to a charge uncivility.

Perhaps it is uppermost in your mind but my remark


>It is a question of respect for the Chinese people.

was not in the context of personal exchanges between you and HCKL.

I was saying that an issue like the Great Leap Forward cannot fundamentally be analysed only in terms of one man, however great, flawed, or wicked. The dynamic of China's socialisation in the 50's was one in which millions participated and had a momentum of its own, beyond the conscious control of any one individual.

I found myself in wrestling with the arguments, not so much wanting to defend Mao, as wanting to defend the people who had thrown themselves into trying to make steel in their local community. Really in the context of the human race, it was far from silly. What was silly, was Wordsworth imagining in his beautiful poem above Tintern Abbey that the coils of smoke rising from the woods came from a scattered troop of contemplative hermits.

But a marxist theory of human consciousness must imply that it is necessarily always partial and limited.

Chris Burford

London



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