>>> Jordan Hayes <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com> 06/07/99 01:06PM >>>
From CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us Mon Jun 7 09:43:48 1999
Well, I have good politics.
But not as good sense of logic?
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Charles: I'm very good at logic too. I used to read I.M. Copi's textbook on my own when I was an undergraduate.
What logical skills have you demonstrated on the list ?
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The unstated implication of your discussion is that you are
pro-Michigan Militia ...
Certinaly not. You mistake my criticism of you as support for them. That's hardly surprising, since you seem to have wild ideas about linking just about anything to racism. Frankly, I'm neither pro- nor against- Michigan Militia.
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Charles: So, your thing is, you aren't for the Michigan Militia, you are just know for sure that they have no problem with racism, and it is very important for you to defend them from that accusation.
I don't have any wild ideas about linking anything to racism. I have sober, well-thought out positions on it. You must be reading my posts illogically.
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Anyway, let's stick to my stated position, since you've shown yourself to be inaccurate in the 'unstated implication' world:
> That's close, but really it was your hyperactive linkage I
> was joking about: given all the racist crap on the American
> Front web site, you seemed to want to go for the 'racist
> jugular' by pointing out their link to the (belatedly
> acknowleged by you as not specifically a 'racist group' --
> that's at least encouraging, since HateWatch recently
> apologized to MM in a big way for making much the same lazy
> mistake) by simply saying "They have a link to the Michigan
> Militia" ... as though that would seal the judgement of the
> American Front as being a racist organization.
Please show me where I expressed support for MM in that paragraph.
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Charles: Pretty simply, you seem real anxious to defend them from an accusation of racism. There is a suggestion of support for them in that.
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Please show me where I expressed ciriticism of anything other than your lazy approach to accusing MM of being a racist organization (which you later refuted yourself).
and are offended by an investigation of the suggestion that
they have fascistic racists in their ranks.
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Charles: You couldn't be criticizing my "lazy" approach to accusing MM of being a racist org. because I don't have a lazy approach to that.
I already mentioned the Michigan Militia leader who was on the radio expressing concern about KKK/Nazi types in his own organization. That's pretty good evidence that there might be such a problem.
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I couldn't care less about that; I do however find it hilarious (maybe Brad & I will start a chortling club?) that you don't see a problem with linking MM with AF with a wide sweeping brush? Hah! I'm sure if you look at any organization with a wide variety of interests and tastes you'll find "fascistic racists in their ranks" ... no, you have something more than that to say: your hyperactive linkage (stated, not unstated) said "AF is racist, just look: they have a link to MM!" is just another example of your demented 'logic' about who is and who isn't a racist.
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Charles: Well, you are the one who is looking pretty demented in this exchange. Even on this thread there is some evidence suggesting a link between MM and some racists. I have already mentioned another specific evidence of this; and there are others. However, in this case, I only noted the cyberlink as preliminary evidence to be investigated. You are so hyper about in your denial of racism that you leaped to the more definite link.
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When called on it, you agree: your only "evidence" is one of their leaders did not deny that there are elements of his organization who are racist. Big deal. That's also true of the Congress.
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Charles: I wouldn't say you called me on it. I'd call it demented raving on your part.
Not surprising that you don't think it is a big deal that there are racist elements in Congress.
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Why not just change your name to Backpeddle Brown?
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Charles: That would be what you call me in your demented state, not what I am. I keep moving forward demolishing your arguments. You are sort of like someone who got run over by a freight train saying the train was "backpeddling".
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Methinks you doest protest too much.
No sir, I believe that's your position here.
Let me get this straight: you think that racism is under-reported and yet feel free to tar an organization as 'racist' that even you admit is decentralized and thus, unable to screen such types out?
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Charles: I doubt if you will get it straight. My position is exactly as stated in my posts, not at all your warped restatements.
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Why can't you just say: Yes, Jordan, you're right: I was wrong to project a racist linkage between AF and MM; it was lazy and sloppy of me, and it does a disservice to the cause I care most about.
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Charles: Because that is a demented version of what happened. Why would I , a clear thinking , logical wizard say something the opposite of the truth such as that ?
CB