kelley on katie roiphe

pms laflame at mindspring.com
Thu Jun 17 16:00:48 PDT 1999


Or as I sometimes say to couples I have fed, if the check comes up--Look. I'm a radical feminist. I think men should pay for everything and do all the heavy work and thank the goddess for the opportunity. Women have to carry all the emotional baggage.

They love it. Seriously though, thanks for the great breakdown. Beautifully done and just what I need to give to a young woman I know who's smart and good-hearted and turned off to her first Women's Studies class before it begins. She says the required list-serve is all invites to lesbian things and doesn't read the list much cause she's not included. I would hate for her to drop it, she's got a lot of potential as a thinker. This will help shift her focus.

smooches-p Sorry about the over-post Dd.

At 06:47 PM 6/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>hi brett,
>
>Brett Knowlton wrote:
>>So here are my questions. Is the term feminism well defined?
>
>surely there is a common theme: women are systematically oppressed and/or
>dominated and this benefits men. as for feminist theory it shares three
>themes: 1] it focuses on women and asks of conventional social theory,
>"what about women? where do women fit in?" 2] women are treated as a
>starting point for social analysis; for some this means that women are
>epistemically privileged in the sense that they offer a 'standpoint' from
>which to pursue knowledge about social life [these days a highly contested
>claim] and 3] feminist theory is critical and promotes activism--efforts
>to change.
>
>Differences emerge when attempting to answer the questions "why are things
>the way they are and how did they get that way?" and "what is to be done?"
>
>i have been fond of using the labels radical, liberal, marxist,
>socialist-- which were initially elaborated by Alison Jaggar in _Feminist
>Politics and Human Nature_ Jaggar argues that we can typify feminisms
>according to how they understand human nature. but she wrote nearly 20
>years ago and i've drawn on another approach [lengermann and
>niebrugge-brantly] they typify feminisms by focusing on two questions. 1]
> what about women? [descriptive] and 2] why is the situation for women as
>it is? [explanatory] Answers to these questions can be furthered
>distinguished:
>
>Gender Difference Feminism:
>
>1 a] women's situations/experiences are different from men's
>2 a] explanatory schemas tend to draw on biosocial and/or social
>psychological and pscyhoanalytic explanations which also carefully examine
>the cultural and institutional practices through which these differences
>are reproduced and sustained
>
>examples: carol gilligan, sara ruddick; helene cixous, judith butler,
>toril moi, julia kristeva [ian's forward of a cognitive psych explanation
>for male agression is a biosocial explanation]
>
>Gender Inequality Theories:
>
>1 a]. women aren't merely different from men but are treated unequally in
>relation to men and thus are the recipients of fewer social goods [status,
>income, power, etc] while men [as a group] receive more
>2 b] liberal explanations for the unequal distribution of the
>costs/benefits of social life caused primarily by sexist ideology which
>encourages sexist beliefs and discriminatory practices that assume natural
>differences in abilities.
>
>marxist explanations of inequality: gender inequality is embedded in and a
>tool of a more fundamental system of class oppression and exploitation.
>women are oppressed, exploited, dominated by men b/c it's functional for
>capitalism: reserve army of labor, depresses wages, women perform the bulk
>of unpaid "reproductive" labor in the home which, for many marxist
>theorists, is not really productive labor. on proyect's marxism list there
>was debate about unionizing sex workers. sex workers were said to be
>parasitic labor, not 'real' labor because it merely provides sex etc rather
>than contributing valuable social goods/services to the economy. [stems
>from rosa luxembourg's claims that the reproductive (childbearing, rearing,
>housework, sexual and emotional comforts/nurturing) labor performed by
>bourgeois housewives renders women "the parasite of a parasite" --b.s. to
>that one, i say].
>
>examples: betty friedan, joyce trebilcot, n.ow., gloria steinam, naomi
>wolfe (liberal)
>mackinon, juliet mitchell, sheila rowbotham, michele barrett. [marxists]
>
>Gender Oppression Theories:
>
>3 a] women are systematically and systemically oppressed by men who have a
>fundamental interest in and benefit from maintaining social institutions,
>practices, and ideologies which sustain this situation
>
>3 b] explanations
>
>psychoanalytic: see patriarchy as a pervasive system in which men
>subjugate women in even the most mundane aspects of everyday life. they
>ask why men seem to have such an interest in and are deeply wedded to
>sustaining these relationships while women seem unable to effectively
>resist [doug noted in december that this was one of his interests in judith
>butler: the attempt to explain why ppl don't resist oppression because
>thoroughly and deeply embedded pscyhodynamics that begin the moment we're
>born]. they tend to reject the claim that men rationally calculate
>strategies of subordination and subjegation; something more must be at work
>given such resistance to change. [doroty dinnerstein, nancy chodorow,
>jessica benjamin]
>
>radical: valorize women and women's experiences. see society as
>characterized by oppression in one form or another and the oppression of
>women was historically primary and served as a model for other forms of
>oppression. they tend to focus on the ways in which women are oppressed
>because of their bodily capacities and physical difference from men.
>patriarchy is the systematic, institutionalized practice of violence
>against, exploitation of, and domination over women. here's where the
>claim that there's a continuum of violence: from high heels and makeup to
>clitoredechtomy, from tyranical ideals of motherhood to control over
>women's bodies in the form of male dominated medicine, from unpaid
>housework to compulsory heterosexuality, from ideals of monogamy, chastity
>to rape. but, as has been noted, the focus is on overt violence: rape,
>sexual abuse, battering, incest, molestation, pornography [though no
>distinctions are made--all are seen as a form of violence against women]
>patriarchy, ultimately, rests on--is at the root of [radix]--women's
>oppression and so it must be eliminated first. [charlotte bunch, andrea
>dworkin, mackinnon, marilyn frye, susan griffin, kate millet, adrienne rich].
>
>socialist: attempts to wed the methods and insights of marxist feminism
>with a stronger critique of women's oppression as not necessary secondary
>to or derivative of capitalist class oppression AND working in conjuntion
>with other mechanism of oppression: race, ethnicity, age, sexuality,
>colonialism. much like marxist feminist but differ in two other ways.
>firstly, they expand what is understood by 'materialism' --to include
>bodies, sexualities, procreation, childrearing, kin work, emotion work.
>secondly, whereas marxists [gasp! often on this list] dismiss the
>subjective aspects of social life, socialist feminist insist that the
>production of subjectivity is fundamental to understanding how domination,
>oppression, exploitation works and is made possible. [heidi hartman, zillah
>eisenstein,alison jaggar, ehrenreich, dorothy smith]
>
>third-wave: linda alcoff calls the shift one from 'cultural feminism' to
>'post-structuralism because there is a recognition that there is a
>fundamental instability [slippage] between the signifier 'woman' and women.
> is it possible to say that what all women are like? what women
>essentially are? "Are there women?" de Beauvoir asks, poststructuralist
>feminist say "no":
>
>"gender is not a point to start from in the sense of being a given thing
>but is, instead, a construct, formalizable in a nonarbitrary way through a
>matrix of habits, practices, and discourses. further, it is an
>interpretation of our history within a particular social constellation, a
>history in which we are both subjects of and subjected to social
>construction"
>
>iow, we both create and recreate gender identities (agents) but we are
>also shaped by powerful social structures that work behind or backs, so to
>speak. this is why the term 'subject' rather than self or other more
>common terms aren't used by folks like butler. subject position is a term
>that rejects 'essentialism' --the idea that a women can be defined as a set
>of attributes that are objectively identifiable. rather, a
>subject-position is a social space filled and created and re-appropriated
>by people, it is a position from which a feminist politics can emerge.
>being a woman is about being a particular kind of woman who exists within
>and takes up a position w/in a shifting historical context that has
>specific, enduring effects but is not immutable.
>
>third-wave feminism sometimes developed independently of postructuralism
>early on but there are, increasingly, common points of agreement and, in
>the academy, a tendency to draw on these texts as exemplars of how we might
>understand 'the subject' without reverting to essentialism. the focus in
>this strain of feminist thought is on difference--typically systemic
>differences [eyecolor doesn't count] four focuses:
>*emphasis on people of color, historically oppressed
>*examination of how domination and oppression is internalized
>*intersection of systems of colonialist/gender/race/ethnicity/sexual/class
>oppression
>
>examples: elizabeth spellman, bell hooks, maria lugones, nel giddings,
>audre lorade, chere moragua and gloria anzaldua, alice walker, patricial
>hill collins-- biased toward north american women theorists. catherine or
>ange may be much more familiar with australian/european theorists
>
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>kelley
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>“touch yourself and you will know that i exist.”
>~luce irigaray
>



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