-----Original Message----- From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. <rosserjb at jmu.edu> To: pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu <pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: [PEN-L:6657] Re: embassy bombing and spooks
>Ken,
> According to this morning's Washington Post,
>the map was from 1992. The NIMA had produced
>a newer satellite image map, but it did not have
>street addresses or building IDs on it. Some clunk,
>apparently at CIA, used the address for the depository
>and mistakenly put it on the Chinese embassy building
>200 yards away on the same street and looking identical
>from above.
> This may be a lie, but it is an all too credible one.
> BTW, a further wrinkle in all this is the interintelligence
>agency bureaucratic power struggle in Washington, which
>is definitely a mirror game of the highest order and is now
>being carrie out under the name of this blame game. The
>finger has been pointed at CIA, but an awful lot of the input
>to this has come from the NIMA. A few weeks ago there was
>a piece in the W. Post in which an ex-CIA guy was complaining
>about how map creation and interpretation had been taken
>away from CIA and centralized in NIMA. NIMA is the new
>kid on the block, created in only 1996 out of the Defense
>Mapping Agency (whose old HQ it is located in) plus add-ons
>from DIA and CIA and NRO, the supersecret latter having a
>very murky role in all of this.
> One aspect of this I find rather disturbing is that a long
>running aspect of this struggle has been between the Pentagon
>(DOD) and the non-DOD agencies of which the CIA is the most
>important. Supposedly the Director of the CIA (currently George
>Tenet) is the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) also. But
>there has been a long running campaign by the many DOD
>agencies to get rid of control from the DCI especially with
>regard to budgetary control, the old bottom line. In any case,
>NIMA is a DOD agency, and, as I said, the new kid on the
>spook block. It is being treated with kid gloves in all this while
>all blame is being placed on the CIA. I see another agenda
>going on here, frankly.
>Barkley Rosser
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Hanly <khanly at mb.sympatico.ca>
>To: pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu <pen-l at galaxy.csuchico.edu>
>Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 9:02 PM
>Subject: [PEN-L:6620] Re: Test Message
>
>
>>There are certainly many different hypotheses to explain the bombing. Serb
>Info
>>has one that has not appeared here. It is advanced by a professor in
>Germany
>>reputed to be an expert on intelligence issues. He claims that the bombing
>was
>>deliberate and no mistake. Why? The G8
>>peace proposals are not really acceptable to the US and they do not want
>them to
>>eventually go
>>through the UN, but Russia is on side. The only way to stop them? Alienate
>>China. While the bombing goes on China will veto any attempt to put peace
>>proposals through the UN.
>> I find the official explanation unconvincing. By the way, if the
>official
>>explanation is correct the bombing was not an ACCIDENT as the media and
>some on
>>Pen-l would have it but
>>as MISTAKE. There is an important difference. The Chinese embassy was
>targeted.
>>The bomber made no mistake and the bombs did not stray off course to cause
>>collateral damage.
>>Some person(s) somewhere made a mistake and are responsible for it. I find
>it
>>hard to believe that the mistake was to use old maps. The Chinese embassy
>has
>>been in the same place for
>>four years. That targets in downtown Belgrade were determined on the basis
>of 4+
>>year old maps is almost beyond belief. I also wonder what would have
>happened if
>>the target had actually been the weapons procurement building. Wouldn't
>there be
>>the danger of tremendous explosions and horrendous collateral damage to
>nearby
>>buildings?
>> I am inclined to think that the Embassy was deliberatedly targeted by
>the US
>>as a punishment for Chinese misdeeds including theft of nuclear secrets
and
>>demands that the bombing of FRY stop. Afterwards, it could be claimed this
>was a
>>mistake, profuse apologies could be made etc. and the bombing would go on
>as
>>before.
>> Cheers, Ken Hanly
>>
>>Craven, Jim wrote:
>>
>>> This is a test message to see if I am online to pen-l from my Clark
>address
>>> from where I was banned from contacting pen-l until the feudal fascists
>in
>>> the admin were forced to eat it due to righteous and swift responses
>from
>>> freedom-loving academics far and wide--to whom I am very grateful.
>>>
>>> On the issue of the bombing of the Chinese embassy I can only say that
my
>>> experience with Mike Levine has been that he has been dead on, he puts
>stuff
>>> on the net no one else dares to put out (see five hours with CIA pilot
>Tosh
>>> Plumley who claims he flew dope into the US and claims that he testified
>>> twice about it before the Senate (1975 and recently) and nothing was
done
>>> about it but his testimony was classified to attempt to prevent him
>talking
>>> about it) and Mike is very systematic and thorough about vetting stories
>>> before putting them out and does indeed have solid contacts of
>>> similarly-minded outraged intelligence people still inside.
>>>
>>> I have idea if the story is true but it does fit the facts, does fit the
>>> usual bungling by CIA, does fit the usual "scoop"/wrecklessness
>>> mentality/machinations of CIA and in terms of the position of the Serbs
>>> being the object of NATO bombing with no real ability to respond, it
>would
>>> represent a very clever move under dire circumstances. It is at least
>worth
>>> considering seriously.
>>>
>>> Jim C
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