I don't find 5,000 an incredible figure on its face. However, I do find the apparent source for that figure -- the Pentagon/State Dept. -- highly incredible. These are the same folks peddling stories about Yugoslav Army (or VJ, if you prefer) soldiers using 700 Albanian Kosovar boys as human blood banks. About a stadium used as a concentration camp to kill 20,000 people (discredited by an AGP reporter.)
That's why I asked you what your source was for the "fairly detailed" city-by-city breakdown. I've searched for such a comprehensive list and found none. It's the kind of information that could help separate fact from propaganda. You still haven't mentioned in your posts where you saw such a list, or if you compiled it yourself.
I'm surprised that you belittle the importance of counting comabtants as combatants and civilians as civilians. That is standard practice, as far as I know. Amnesty International and the UNHC for Human Rights follow this practice, too.
Seth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [SMTP:rosserjb at jmu.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 6:26 PM
> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
> Subject: Re: body count
>
> Seth,
> They come from reports from refugees adding
> up city by city. Do you find the idea that the Serbs
> have killed on the order of 5,000 civilians in Kosovo-
> Metohija while expelling on the order of 700,000 of
> them incredible? Of course I am sure that many of
> those dead were suspected of being UCK/KLA and
> some of them probably were. Wow.
> Barkley Rosser
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Ackerman <SAckerman at FAIR.org>
> To: 'lbo-talk at lists.panix.com' <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
> Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 6:19 PM
> Subject: RE: body count
>
>
> >Barkley,
> >
> >My apologies, my misunderstanding. But I still have no idea how you
> >arrive at the 5,000-10,000 figure.
> >
> >Seth
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [SMTP:rosserjb at jmu.edu]
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 6:01 PM
> >> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
> >> Subject: Re: body count
> >>
> >> Doug,
> >> I have not seen your message on this yet,
> >> only this one from Seth that misunderstands.
> >> The 200,000 are the Croats and Bosniak Muslims
> >> killed in the wars in the early and mid-1990s that
> >> were started by the Serbs who were supported by
> >> HIs Excellency. These are not the numbers for
> >> Kosovo-Metohija. Last figure I've seen that is
> >> remotely believable has reasonably counted
> >> civilian dead from Serbian attacks in Kosov0-
> >> Metohija probably in the 5,000-10,000 range,
> >> substantially less than in the Croatian-Bosnian
> >> wars, but more than the civilians dead from NATO
> >> bombing, which is in the hundreds.
> >> Barkley Rosser
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Seth Ackerman <SAckerman at FAIR.org>
> >> To: 'lbo-talk at lists.panix.com' <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 3:05 PM
> >> Subject: RE: body count
> >>
> >>
> >> >Give me a break. That includes every Kosovar not in Albania or
> >> >Macedonia. Even the State Dept/Pentagon number is 4,600. That
> >> includes
> >> >every "grave" U.S. intelligence can spot using "satellite
> >> surveillance
> >> >photos" that it won't let anyone else see, including the UNHC for
> >> >Refugees which has been begging to see them. It also undoubtedly
> >> >includes a large proportion of KLA-dead. Remember, there's been an
> >> >actual war going on on the ground. The civilian count will be much
> >> >lower.
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Doug Henwood [SMTP:dhenwood at panix.com]
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 12:12 PM
> >> >> To: lbo-talk at lists.panix.com
> >> >> Subject: body count
> >> >>
> >> >> Barkley, I've seen you quote a figure of 200,000 killed by the
> >> >> Serbians.
> >> >> What's the background on this number?
> >> >>
> >> >> Doug
> >> >
> >