uses of guns rather than guns are unethical of course but despite jordan's previous list to me i don't see any nonviolent uses for guns and no uses for guns at all that can't be given up in the interests of avoiding the incredibly pervasive unethical uses of guns which i think will be and is assisted by mkaing them less avilable. of course its wimpy and i'm sure fred would tell me bourgeois of me to be afraid of guns, of their uses -- their oh much too dominant uses -- and the disturbing frequency with which i am required to engage with those unethical and violent uses -- but there you go i am. scared, very scared. and i wish to make it go away, for my sake but also for the sake of others. perhaps this means i infringe on he rights of 'gun owners', but i don't see them as some neutral category existing before the law/debate, their rights are constructed by these laws and like all laws have to be subject to evaluation as to whether or not they are productive otherwise every damned law would be sacrosanct. must go quickly but i will return to it all later in the day. catherine