Actually Existing Socialism (was Re: review of bhaskar)

[Michael Hoover]

> > btw: While it is an exaggeration to say that KM left us no conception 
> > of socialism, his and Engels' remarks were relatively few (with respect 
> > to corpus of their work), pretty generalized, and often embedded in 
> > their critique of capitalism.  Seems clear that M thought that socialism 
> > would substitute conscious, overall planning for market exchange as 
> > dominant social process for economic coordination.  But his fairly
> > consistent references to 'associated producers' also makes it clear
> > that he perceived planning as associative, cooperative, and democratic, 
> > not bureaucratic or elitist.    
>
> since Karl and Fred, the working class has had a lot of experience that 
> must be used in the trial and error (scientific) method to project more 
> positively the elements of socialism. And certainly actually existing 
> socialism has confirmed the proposition in your last sentence above. 
> All power to ALL the People,
> CB

Just what was 'actually existing' ('no longer' existing) socialism anyway?
a) socialist, or moving along 'socialist road'
b) capitalist, or moving along 'capitalist road'
c) transition between capitalism & socialism, but not genuinely socialist
d) new socio-economic system neither capitalist nor socialist
e) state capitalism
f) green slime oozing up from underneath earth necessitating that

  one clean her/himself off following contact

No power to those who exploit others' labor, Michael Hoover