Alice down under in Wonder

[kelley]

yoshie, it has to do with the way four women have been treated on this
list.  i don't care about m-fem and i don't care about charles "real" life
[a stupid distinction].  i generally enjoy what chaz has to say, though i
don't always agree and i enjoy our phil of social science discussions.  but
one of the first things that charles ever did was call me, "my sister" in
french -- in a condescending enough manner to elicit fraces's ire, who he
then treated pretty rudely too.  look it up in the archives.  oct/nov of
last year. 

again, i'm not saying that charles is an awful person or anything of the
sort.  however, you'll both agree that institutionalized sexism is a
problem, that it exists on this list, and everyone her perpetuates it in
some form or another.  and, i think you'll also agree that pointing out
when i think a man has belittled a woman b/c she's a woman is just as
acceptable as pointing out racist comments --and i've done that before when
tom lehman has called people polish suitcases and babushkas.    again,
compare the posts w/ doug yesterday which were on the same order--of
rehashing an old argument. charles did not dismiss doug in the way he
dismissed angela.  he was quite obsequious.