Tom
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
> John,
> The traditional class hierarchy of churches
> in the US South is Episcopalians (Church of England),
> Presbyterians (Scots), Methodists (Low Church of
> England), and then the Baptists. Only the Presbyterians
> of that bunch traditionally Calvinists. Oh yeah, Lutherans
> (Germans) are in there with the Methodists. The Baptists
> were originally out of Germany and in the US have gone
> very far away from their roots. I note that the Amish and
> Mennonites are also of the Anabaptist lineage, and all
> were persecuted vigorously by the Calvinists in Europe.
> In Europe the Baptists were social radicals.
> The United Church of Christ is Calvinist but more
> upper class and identified with the northern based
> Congregationalists, the descendants of the Puritans.
> BTW, the Methodists are the church whose distribution
> of membership most closely resembles the overall distribution
> of the population in the US. Can't get any more middle
> class than that.
> Barkley Rosser
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John K. Taber <jktaber at dhc.net>
> To: 'lbo_talk' <lbo-talk at lists.panix.com>
> Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:49 PM
> Subject: RE: death list
>
> >
> >"David Jennings [MSAI] said:
> ><
> >On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, John K. Taber wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Calvinism cuts both ways.
> >>
> >>Southern Protestants seem to take Calvin's predestination to mean
> >>that they are assured of God's grace. They believe that as born
> >>again Christians they are guaranteed salvation regardless of
> >>what they do.
> >>
> >
> >I don't know where you're getting this. The most popular churches in
> >the
> >Southern US are not Calvinist. Also, those churches place a strong
> >emphasis on the connection between professions of faith and salvation.
> >>
> >
> >It wouldn't be the first time I was mistaken on this list.
> >
> >I thought the Baptists were descendents of Calvinism. You're saying
> >they're not? So, their belief in personal salvation because of
> >being born again isn't grace but profession of faith? I'll be
> >darned. I learn something on this list almost every day.
> >
> >Also, I thought that in the South the Southern Methodists are the
> >church of the upper class, while Southern Baptist and Church of
> >Christ were middle and working class.
> >
> >So, does grace have anything to do with Southern Baptists and
> >Church of Christ?
> >
> >