Meszaros, progress

Charles Brown CharlesB at CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us
Thu Sep 30 12:45:41 PDT 1999


I'll take up the defense of my old prof. Jim, don't you also have to have a time and motion study of the same people to prove your side of the argument: that their lives were nasty brutish and short ? What is your evidence that people who lived in such societies didn't have a concept of free time ; or what is any of your evidence of what people did and thought in such societies ? Surely, Marshall Sahlins has more of that evidence than you do.

CB


>>> Jim heartfield <jim at heartfield.demon.co.uk> 09/30/99 01:09PM >>>
In message <37F3649A.474838B1 at mail.ilstu.edu>, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> writes
>Re productivity as "saving time." Then the clock has been running backwards
>for about 12000 years. Hunter-gatherers seldom labor over 15-20 hrs
>per week. Capitalism also eliminated scores of xtian holidays in order
>to increase hours of work. And if one includes commute time in the
>work week (as one should), then the work week in the u.s. has been
>increasing for decades -- perhaps for over half a century.
>
>Progress. It's wonderful.
>
>Carrol

This absurd myth comes courtesy of Marshall Sahlins.

Who was doing the time and motion study on these prehistoric hunter gatherers, one wonders? And since when did people who lived in such societies have even a concept of free time. The whole methodology is just childish fantasy dressed up as mock profundity. It is what Brecht parodied as the imaginary land of Cockayne, where ready-roasted chickens fly into your mouth. That 'free time' was just idle hunger and anxiety.

Carroll should be released in the rain forest to make his own way in life. -- Jim heartfield



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